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		<title>By: xgz</title>
		<link>http://talesacrossthesea.net/47/tibet-panchen-lama-book-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[xgz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 02:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking of McCarthyism, the best example to Chinese would be Tsien Hsue-shen, a brilliant rocket scientist at Jet Propulsion Lab. He was accused of being a communist sympathizer and was wrongfully imprisoned for 5 years. He was finally exchanged for American prisoners of war in Korea in 1955. So the success of the Chinese rocket program had a lot to do with Senator McCarthy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of McCarthyism, the best example to Chinese would be Tsien Hsue-shen, a brilliant rocket scientist at Jet Propulsion Lab. He was accused of being a communist sympathizer and was wrongfully imprisoned for 5 years. He was finally exchanged for American prisoners of war in Korea in 1955. So the success of the Chinese rocket program had a lot to do with Senator McCarthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Lara</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 08:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and Mei, I just (D&#039;oh!) realized that of course American media were interested in brainwashing people in any way that could prejudice them against China.  Remember the Cold War?  This was part of it - anything that could make the PRC look bad was trumpeted from the rooftops.

Even to the names of fruit, and I kid you not.  The Kiwi fruit we all associate with New Zealand was, until the 1950s (supremacy of Mao &amp; Communists) called a Chinese Gooseberry.  The name was changed in the 50s so that NZ could still sell them here without raising suspicions of communist sympathies.

American media were not controlled by government directly, but the drunken shameless Senator McCarthy made it very difficult for people in public life to express, not sympathy for communism, but even the tiniest glimmer of fair-mindedness.  He used the House Un-American Activities Committee to hound them out of business and blackballed them in any way possible.  Did incalculable harm to U.S. politics and public life (Ronald Reagan was elected partially on the strength of his having made anti-communist speeches for 25 years), and to any hopes of unbiased reporting from abroad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Mei, I just (D&#8217;oh!) realized that of course American media were interested in brainwashing people in any way that could prejudice them against China.  Remember the Cold War?  This was part of it &#8211; anything that could make the PRC look bad was trumpeted from the rooftops.</p>
<p>Even to the names of fruit, and I kid you not.  The Kiwi fruit we all associate with New Zealand was, until the 1950s (supremacy of Mao &#038; Communists) called a Chinese Gooseberry.  The name was changed in the 50s so that NZ could still sell them here without raising suspicions of communist sympathies.</p>
<p>American media were not controlled by government directly, but the drunken shameless Senator McCarthy made it very difficult for people in public life to express, not sympathy for communism, but even the tiniest glimmer of fair-mindedness.  He used the House Un-American Activities Committee to hound them out of business and blackballed them in any way possible.  Did incalculable harm to U.S. politics and public life (Ronald Reagan was elected partially on the strength of his having made anti-communist speeches for 25 years), and to any hopes of unbiased reporting from abroad.</p>
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		<title>By: Lara</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lara]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I heard of the Panchen Lama when #11 was nominated in 1995 - by the PRC.  The Wiki article on #10 certainly makes sense in light of what I know of PL #9 from my editing.  I had no idea that he married - probably not the most Buddhist/monastic of moves.

One thing I picked up from the book was that the Chinese authorities have been influential in Tibet&#039;s choice of lamas for some time; early on (I think in the mid 1850s) Chinese officials noticed that the &quot;reincarnations&quot; of previous lamas all tended to come from families tied suspiciously closely to the old lamas and power brokers.  So after the various candidates (very small boys) underwent the various tests in Lhasa, the Chinese insisted that lots for the winner be drawn from a cauldron to try to even the odds - at least if you can trust a cauldron, which we all know after Harry Potter IV you can&#039;t.

On a more serious note, when you read the book you&#039;ll find that Tibet&#039;s army, what there was of it, was incredibly badly armed and ill-fed (once DL #13 died, his attempts at fielding a proper army mostly died with him).  So although I know nothing whatever of China&#039;s invasion of Tibet, any incursion of properly armed forces would either have met with total surrender or have resulted in a bloodbath; I guess the latter is what happened.  The Panchen Lamas (9 &amp; 10) seem to have agreed that Tibet drastically needed modernization; I guess future historians will let us know whether it had to happen at the price of so much gore.  Might be that the lama system of governance was so broken down that there really was no alternative?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard of the Panchen Lama when #11 was nominated in 1995 &#8211; by the PRC.  The Wiki article on #10 certainly makes sense in light of what I know of PL #9 from my editing.  I had no idea that he married &#8211; probably not the most Buddhist/monastic of moves.</p>
<p>One thing I picked up from the book was that the Chinese authorities have been influential in Tibet&#8217;s choice of lamas for some time; early on (I think in the mid 1850s) Chinese officials noticed that the &#8220;reincarnations&#8221; of previous lamas all tended to come from families tied suspiciously closely to the old lamas and power brokers.  So after the various candidates (very small boys) underwent the various tests in Lhasa, the Chinese insisted that lots for the winner be drawn from a cauldron to try to even the odds &#8211; at least if you can trust a cauldron, which we all know after Harry Potter IV you can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>On a more serious note, when you read the book you&#8217;ll find that Tibet&#8217;s army, what there was of it, was incredibly badly armed and ill-fed (once DL #13 died, his attempts at fielding a proper army mostly died with him).  So although I know nothing whatever of China&#8217;s invasion of Tibet, any incursion of properly armed forces would either have met with total surrender or have resulted in a bloodbath; I guess the latter is what happened.  The Panchen Lamas (9 &#038; 10) seem to have agreed that Tibet drastically needed modernization; I guess future historians will let us know whether it had to happen at the price of so much gore.  Might be that the lama system of governance was so broken down that there really was no alternative?</p>
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		<title>By: Mei</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mei]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I grew up knowing there was Panchen and there was Dalai, but many of my friends in the US never heard of Panchen.  I think it is interesting that even without any apparent benefit to do so, the western media seems to really &quot;brainwash&quot; its audience in a very systematic way.  You have to give it to Dalai for a successful media campaign over the years.  

Thanks for putting the information here! I hope the book comes out soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up knowing there was Panchen and there was Dalai, but many of my friends in the US never heard of Panchen.  I think it is interesting that even without any apparent benefit to do so, the western media seems to really &#8220;brainwash&#8221; its audience in a very systematic way.  You have to give it to Dalai for a successful media campaign over the years.  </p>
<p>Thanks for putting the information here! I hope the book comes out soon.</p>
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		<title>By: xgz</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 03:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is the wiki entry for the 10th Panchen Lama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choekyi_Gyaltsen
Its description is consistent with what I know about him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the wiki entry for the 10th Panchen Lama<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choekyi_Gyaltsen" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choekyi_Gyaltsen</a><br />
Its description is consistent with what I know about him.</p>
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